A Plate is the equivalent of a Female Beta Orbiter – How to not be a plate

A Plate is the equivalent of a Female Beta Orbiter – How to not be a plate


I’m going to say something to the ladies reading this blog that will make the guys at The Red Pill hate me. You do not want to be a plate.

What is a plate? A plate is a woman who a guy may have sex with, a casual no strings attached kind of side relationship with. This kind of arrangement has the benefit of sex, but lacks the element of commitment. There are many guys out there who have their own harem of plates, women who orbit around their lives and offer sex, but do not get to be their long-term girlfriends or wives.

A plate is the equivalent of a female beta orbiter.

So what is a “Beta orbiter” you may ask?

It is a man who is a platonic friend of a woman. He orbits around her life, offering favors and friendship. He sticks around hoping that eventually if he’s a real good boy, if he endures enough shit, then he will be her go to guy when her current relationship falls apart, or her back up fuck when she’s feeling lonely. Sometimes the ladies will throw their orbiters a bone, but the orbiter will never be the main man in her life, he’ll never be her burning sun or guiding star.

So why do women allow themselves to become plates? Some truly are just in the relationship for the casual sex. Maybe they are too busy for a real relationship, maybe they are bored with their husbands and cheating behind their backs, but maybe…just maybe…there is a deeper goal at play.

A man who gets plates surely has some alpha qualities. He’s confident, charismatic, sexy, a natural leader with a fun personality. Wouldn’t most women want such a guy to be their main squeeze? Many of the women who say they are happy with just being a plate are fooling themselves. The reality is that most would prefer an exclusive relationship with the guy in question if they had a chance (many would even cut off their left boob to snag an alpha all for themselves), but since they don’t have the qualities that make them long-term relationship material, they lie to themselves and convince themselves that they too are happy with being but a side dish in his elaborate sex buffet.

Just like their Beta Orbiter counter parts, plates are naive enough to think that if they stick around the longest, if they are the most persistent, then the guy will eventually upgrade them to their queen bee. I know a woman who moved across the country just to continue being her man’s plate.

But here’s the thing, if a guy made you his plate in the first place, chances are he did that BECAUSE he doesn’t see a long-term relationship working out with you – and BECAUSE he doesn’t intend for the current relationship to really go anywhere aside from the casual fuck and pizza when his wife is out of town or while he’s waiting for the cable guy.

And the longer a woman allows herself to be a plate, the less likely she is to eventually be in a long-term relationship with a guy she is attracted to.


You know that he is having sex or romantic relations with other women.

He doesn’t spend the main holidays, such as Christmas or Thanksgiving with you.

He doesn’t invite you over to meet his parents, because he knows that your relationship will be temporary at best.

You don’t spend a lot of time hanging out with his close friends (for the same reasons).

He visits you at odd hours, and mainly for sex.

He only calls you by pet names, such as “bunny,” “baby,” etc. because he doesn’t want to call you by some other woman’s name by accident.

You find yourself putting more energy into the relationship than he does.


So, seeing all these things above, you have to ask yourself, is it really worth it, being some guys prostitute who works free of charge? Sure, you get to have sex with a guy you are wildly attracted to – and maybe there is some element of friendship involved. But how long will that last, before he trades you in for a younger, sexier model?

And then what? You go from being a side dish – to dirty dishes. You may find yourself incapable of enjoying relationships with less studly guys, or enjoying said sex with these other men.

There is no such thing as getting “wild sex out of your system.” Some women have a bunch of crazy sex, and then think once they got that out of their system, they can settle down and live a normal, boring, suburban life with their Beta Bux provider. But they’ll still long for the wild, crazy brutal slam you down on the bed kind of sex from before. They’ll still send the guy the occasional text, hoping that maybe he’ll throw them a bone. Even my grandmother at 80 something years old, still told me about the guy she dated in her 20’s that “she was supposed to be with,” even though he was a sailor with a different girl at every port.

Sex with someone you are attracted to is like a drug, and the more hits you take, the more you want. And once that drug disappears from your life, you find yourself feeling bitter, empty, you raise up your emotional walls, and you have a harder time emotionally connecting for fear that your next boo will leave you stranded like Mr. Alpha Fux did.

If you get pregnant, your Plate Master is not going to be there for you (aside for maybe 18 years of forced child support money if he can afford it). My theory is that many of women these days who just ACCIDENTLY get pregnant – or OOps forgot to take the pill – they were plates trying to be upgraded into a main meal into their Pimp Daddy’s life.

But unfortunately you’re not a big mac, you’re just a small fry, waiting around to get chewed up and spit out.

Is that really a life? Temporarily it may be fun. But it the long-term, there is no end game.



Is it possible to be in a happy, long-term relationship with a guy that you are emotionally and sexually attracted to? Of course it is. But you need to be honest with yourself. What are you really attracted to in a man? If you find yourself in relationships with Players and Bad Boys, why is that?

You have a whole society telling you to settle down with someone who is “nice,” someone who will “treat you like a queen” and someone who will be your best friend. Then you hear these stories about these women who settled down and married that nice guy who is great with the kids, who cooks a good brunch, who cleans, who is so much fun, and so supportive – and boy the woman is fucking bored!

Let’s face it. We’re women. We don’t want to fuck other women with dicks. We don’t want a guy who comes to our sleep overs, paints our nails, buys our tampons and gossips with us about our galpals. Men like that don’t make us wet, they make us about as dry and sandy as the Sahara Desert.

Most of us want men: competitive, assertive, dominating, fuck you hard in bed, take me now kinds of men. You know that’s what you want, but your ashamed to admit it. This feminist, PC culture has made you feel ashamed of your human feelings, and your animal longings. But nature has its own laws, and such laws cannot be altered, rewritten, lobbied in congress or changed. Just as the happily married woman will risk it all for one night of pleasure with a more beastly specimen, so too will even the highest politicians in the land risk their power with one evening of bliss with a young and attractive woman. We are animals. We have instincts. We have needs. Just as birds know when to migrate south before the coming winter, men and women – deep down inside – know what traits will ensure the genetic longevity of their bloodline and kin. Men want nurturing, feminine and fertile young mothers. Women want protective, strong and dominating fathers. There isn’t anything wrong with that – only a culture that tells us to ignore our true selves.

Today it is hard to find such quality men, because Feminism has told boys that manly behavior is threatening to the womyns and also because there is a dearth of strong male role models on TV. When women say, “there’s no good men left,” what they really mean is that there are no “real men around who are willing to fuck me.”

Perhaps the real reason why our grandparents stayed married longer than our parents, is because in the older generation girls were raised to be ladies and boys were cultivated by trials of ice and fire into men.

But I’m telling you that even in today’s PC world, you can still end up in a relationship with a man that you are genuinely attracted to without being a plate.


The laws of attraction work like magnets. Just as a polar north seeks its polar south, a real man will only be legitimately attracted to a real lady. It doesn’t matter if your butt looks sexy in those yoga pants of if you just dropped a couple G’s on a boob job, if you are a masculine, aggressive, pushy person – you are going to push the quality men straight out of your life. I know a very attractive girl who is only capable of either being some Player’s plate, or a Beta’s date. You want to know why? She has a bitchy personality.

So what do YOU bring to the table? Will you bring value to your relationship once your looks fade? Once you’re no longer sexy? Many women today only work on their sex appeal, thinking that as long as they look good, they can get any man they want. Certainly that is a predominant message in the media.

So what can you do to improve your long-term relationship potential? What can you do to be a “lady.”

  • Start your search for a quality life partner young. Men are the most attracted to women when they are youthful. Many people are aware of the recent OkCupid experiment where men of all ages and all backgrounds said they preferred to date women who were 20 years old. And that’s only because ’20’ was the youngest age offered. At 20 you have a whole shopping mall of men to choose from, whereas at 30 you’re down to the Dollar Tree. As a woman in your young 20’s, you have a lot more options now than when you’re older. Many of the quality guys get snatched up quickly. This doesn’t mean that you have to marry your first boyfriend – heavens no! What this means is that you need to start the SEARCH when you’re young. Dating people who don’t have long-term potential is a waste of your time and youth. Maybe your first or second boyfriend may not end up being the one. But if you’re at least in the search phase, you’re going in the right direction. Fucking around with every Tom, Dick, Harry…and well…any dick…. is only a waste time. Worst of all, you may end up stuck in a commitment with someone you don’t even like (I learned this the hard way, ended up dating a guy for 4 years who was supposed to be just a summer fling). Ask yourself the hard questions. Do you love this guy? Do you see yourself married to this man? Do you like his genetics – do you think he’d produce desirable children? Do you respect this guy? If the answer is no, it’s time to move on.
  • The other factor is that the dating process that leads up to marriage or some other kind of LTR takes time. You may marry someone at 30, who you started dating at 24. This is very normal. If you start dating someone at 30, chances are you may not be married until 35 – if you even get married at all.
  • Be conservative with sex. Most people these days don’t wait until marriage. But that doesn’t mean you have to give it away for free like cheese samples at the Food Court. The more rare a commodity, the more valuable it is. Why do diamonds and gold have worth where rocks and dirt do not? Because diamonds and gold are rare. When someone receives a precious diamond, they take care of it, they keep it clean, they put it in a special and secure place where it won’t get lost and they hold on to it forever. But regular stones and dirt don’t have much value, because they are everywhere. People will throw a stone into a river or leave it in the yard. Such an abundant and ubiquitous commodity has little worth, and deserves little care.  So with metaphors aside, my advice is that you should know a guy for a few months before you have sex with him. (EDIT: I originally said 6 months, but many people said that a real alpha wouldn’t wait this long. So perhaps instead of having an exact timeline, you should probably make sure you know the guy through and through as a person before you fuck. This could take a few weeks or a few months. Just don’t fuck on the first, second or third date at the very least.) You can make out – you can do other things. But if you give it away too early, you’ll become a plate. If he leaves you for not having sex with him immediately – truth is he probably wasn’t planning to stick around anyways.
  • Once you start having sex, be generous in bed. Many women think that men will be happy enough to simply have a real life sex doll, a woman who just lies there like a log and doesn’t do anything. But guys get bored with such behavior. Men want a woman who will give them blow jobs, be creative in the sack, do a seductive strip tease, and pay attention to what turns them on. One woman who is good in bed is more valuable than a harem of human logs.
  • Maintain your appearance. Even though I said that looks aren’t everything – looks certainly are something. This advice goes without saying. Don’t get fat. Don’t become that person who only wears sweat pants and t-shirts when he’s around.
  • Have a down to earth personality. One of the things I’ve heard men complain about most is uptight women – women who freak out at every inconvenience or harp on them for every flaw. Guys want a woman they can come home to, a woman they can relax around. They don’t want to spend the rest of their lives walking on egg shells. A woman who is a 6 in looks, but is willing to watch the game with her husband and even get him a beer, is much more likely to become a guy’s wife than the woman who is a 9 in looks, but a pain in the ass.
  • Have a feminine demeanor. While being easy-going is a positive, at the same time you shouldn’t be like one of his guy friends who gets into burping contests with him, compares farts, cusses at the television, drinks harder, lifts more, and fights harder. Acting this way will get you into the fast track of being one of his bros, rather than his quality hoe. Women in the West are taught not to be Feminine, because apparently femininity is weakness. But that is crap. Femininity is a profound strength, an evolutionary ace that women have up their sleeves that men are denied. Femininity is more than pink dresses and bows. It’s about allowing yourself to be vulnerable, it’s about knowing when to use soft power rather than hard power, it’s about being in a state of constant admiration of a person we deem our physical superior. It’s about showing deference rather than attitude, and humility instead of pride.
  • Be the woman he would want to be the mother of his children. The people we choose to be our long-term partners, are the ones that we (at a deep subconscious level) could see being the parents of our future offspring. Men want a woman who is nurturing, patient and kind to be the future mother of their children. Even if you’re dating a man who wants to remain childless, he would still prefer a nurturing, kind and patient woman out of animal instinct.
  • Have domestic skills. Have something to offer aside from just a sexy bod. Can you cook? Can you clean? These things are a huge plus, even to the most egalitarian and Feminist men. My boyfriend says that he thinks men and women should be equal, but he certainly doesn’t mind that I offer to cook a majority of the time. If your man knows that he can come home to a warm meal, he’ll be much more likely to turn down a night at the sports bar after work.
  • Win over his friends and family. Do your best to get on the good side of your man’s friends and family. Listen to them. Don’t make waves. Don’t get easily offended if someone says something that rubs you the wrong way. Some of it is just a shit test to see if you are a bitch or not. When my boyfriend’s friends first met me, they didn’t like me, because they were afraid he’d spend more time with me than them. Some were even snarky and rude to me. But I didn’t retaliate, I was always nice to them, fed them when they came over, laughed at their jokes and asked them about themselves. Now I think my boyfriends friends like me more than him. One of them bought a game for me on Steam instead of for my boyfriend, lol.
  • Understand your man’s need for “guy time.” One of the biggest hypocrisies in today’s world is that women can have a “ladies night out” with their friends, but “a boy’s night out” is supposedly sexist. Just as women need their own feminine space, men too need space to be men. They need their own space where they can be crude and manly without judgment. My boyfriend and I had this issue recently. I share all the same hobbies that he and his friends have. So because of this, I’m always there when they are playing a video game or cards. I fit in pretty well. While he’s grateful for this, he expressed that he still wants some separate time with his guy friends. So, I didn’t get jealous. Now when he’s playing an online game with one of his guy friends, I’ll leave the room and do my own thing. Half the time I hang out with his guy friends, and half the time I don’t. We found a pretty good balance.
  • Be physically AND mentally faithful. While I’m not a religious person, I do agree with the part in the bible where Jesus says something along the lines of, if you’ve committed adultery with a woman in your mind, you have already sinned. Basically, entertaining lustful thoughts or intentions of another person is a form of cheating – or the precursor to bad behavior. I’m not saying that you can’t have lustful thoughts. Everyone does. But I’m saying if there are things in your life that put you in a situation where you might cheat on your SO, you should cut those things out of your life like a cancer. I have to laugh at the stories where a woman finds herself at the club, and decides to drink an inhuman amount of alcohol around a bunch of attractive men and then is SO surprised that she cheated or made out with some other dude and she totally didn’t mean it! You know what? Don’t put yourself in that situation. Maybe I’m too conservative, but I think most clubs are a toilet of humanity anyhow. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Don’t binge drink. Don’t go clubbing on the weekends without your boyfriend/husband. Don’t stay friends with your highschool crush on Facebook. Such behavior puts you on a shaky road, and you know it – and your boyfriend knows it. So stop doing it!
  • Realize that a man with both Alpha and Beta traits may be better than a straight up Alpha. A man who is Alpha through and through will probably never stop chasing tail, not even for you. Even if you become the queen bee in his life, you’ll still have to contend with his minions on the side. If you’re like me and don’t have the patience for such a life, you may have to contend with dating a guy who has a mixture of Alpha and Beta traits. Maybe it’s a guy who knows how to be a leader and step forward with the occasion calls, but still will cry during a sad movie or make you pick where you’re both going for dinner most of the time. The truth is ladies that you can’t have it all, and you never will. The most important thing is finding someone who will be loyal to you, who will be there for you when the occasion calls, and ultimately – such loyalty is the most manly behavior there is.

In conclusion. I hope this advice helps you. You don’t need to be a side dish in someone’s life in order to date a guy you find attractive. Be a feminine and worthy lady, and worthy and masculine man will find you. Even if you’re not a skinny, pretty 20 year old girl – maybe you’re 35 and single – but having a feminine personality and nurturing demeanor will still work wonders. The wisdom of our grandmothers still applies. People haven’t changed, only the values we think we have.


37 thoughts on “A Plate is the equivalent of a Female Beta Orbiter – How to not be a plate

  1. You are a fu**kin genius. Excellent points. Totally agree. Just your explanation of what women really want is worth it’s weight in gold. Thank you for not being politically correct. One thing that I and many other guys find endlessly frustrating is how women generally say they want a particular kind of guy but when they run into this kind of guy they aren’t attracted to him. Your commentary explains what is really going on.


    • Thank you Adam! I think in today’s society there is a lot of pressure on all people to be politically correct, so no one is being honest about what they really want.

      This goes for men and women.

      Not a lot of men will publicly say “I want to date a submissive young woman.” But of course most men would prefer to date an attractive, 18 year old girl with a low number of previous sex partners, who likes to cook and clean for her man. (But since there is a huge political stigma against this kind of attitude, you don’t see it broadcasted very openly).

      Same for women. Most women would prefer a strong and courageous man with convictions who can take charge, but they would get shamed (to use the SJW language) for saying such things.

      At least the truth is now starting to come out.


    • Wow, are you even on this planet? Ever hear of “Alpha fucks and beta bucks”? That’s basically in one sentence what took her 500 words to “explain”. Women choose an Alpha because women are repulsed by feminized, soy boy beta orbiters. It’s not sexy, it’s not attractive and it never will be. This is human nature and no amount of “social engineering” will change that. If you’re one of these so called good guys, know that you are a cuck who will maybe eventually get your chance if a woman hits “the wall” and no man (Alpha or beta) wants her anymore, she has multiple bastard children from multiple men. When she’s all dried up and desperately looking for a cuck to take care of her that’s when she has to contend with you. Btw I am a woman myself and I’m telling you this is the absolute truth.


  2. I ended up marrying a friend to whom I was very attracted to, physically and mentally. And still am, but it’s different after ten years. I think the fact is that you’re going get “fucking bored” at times and after a time, whether it be “alpha” or “beta” – and that’s when most people fuck up and start chasing the hormonal bliss of the first two years, time after time with different people. And obviously if someone signals they got no self-worth or personality, that person is easier to leave than the other.

    Despite not really being a follower of the theory, I can relate to what you say about the sensibility of mixing Alpha and Beta. I’m actually are more drawn to mixture of Alpha and Beta traits, so it’s fine if they take the lead when needed and I give the same support to them. (Though it’s pain in the ass if it doesn’t work reciprocally e.g. having to decide thing X too often or being left alone defending oneself from meddling family member. But honestly, mild problem areas can be fixed and the other can be encouraged to become assertive in a healthy way. That’s what growth is.) But then again, I don’t think it’s wrong to look for a friend attributes in SOs – as long as there’s strong physical attraction.

    I see the world full of pain in the ass micro-managing men and women who most likely have unrealistic standards & rigid expectations regarding their “perfect” partners all the way to the order of cans in their pantry. And the fact is that e.g. Alphas subconsciously search for good-looking, but nagging/overly demanding control-freak spouses, because they enjoy that while expecting to have a chance to cheat to maintain some safe illusion of freedom. It’s like looking at a weird mating ritual that makes sense.

    It should be common human courtesy not to make life hell by nagging, cheating or hitting your spouse. You know, the whole point of relationship should be enjoying and sharing your lives – and dreams. No amount of red pills swallowed is going to fix that, because people’s expectations remain unrealistic – even about how exciting their life is going to be with an Alpha or after doing the red pill thing. I’m not saying life should be boring, what I’m saying is that perhaps strong convictions of how things should be done or how people should be are preventing people from seeing alternatives. If you’re constantly dating a slacker or a control-freak or sleeping around, and you’re unhappy & hurting your close ones, stop doing it. You’re bound to get disappointed if you expect that reality is going to add up to your delusional utopias. Modern world hasn’t changed this, the only difference is that people are freer to leave relationships – but is that necessarily a bad thing if the relationship has truly become sour? If men don’t want to enter marriage, who are we to force them? What you’re looking for in a man or a woman really depends also on personality type (e.g. MBTI).


    • To be honest, I wouldn’t want to be with a straight up alpha either, even if I had the choice. It just seems like men who are 100% alpha have too much drama attached to them, because they’re endlessly pursuing/attracting women, butting heads with jealous men and getting into trouble because of their competitive/aggressive personalities. My current man is probably 60% alpha/40% beta and I’m fine with that. I got other things going on in my life, I don’t need an endless amount of drama to contend with.


  3. Excellent woman’s guide for a romantic life.
    I find nothing important to add or to remove, which is rare.

    I will definitly give this piece to read to my 17yo cousin, asap when she is fluent in English.


    • If a man’s not willing to wait, he’s probably not worth it anyways. A quality partner is someone who can put time, effort and patience into a relationship. The willingness to wait demonstrates these qualities.

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  4. Look, no offense, but while I agree with your points, it does feel like a man wrote this.
    Might be completely wrong and you do vlogs as well or something, but especially that analogy with your 80 yo grandmother and knowing a friend who went interstate both seem a bit unlikely that a single person has so much first hand experience with Red Pill in practice.
    lol, anyway, do keep up the material though, because it does give hope to RPers who do want to have a meaningful relationship and have kids


  5. Good advice for women IMO, not just to bag and keep an alpha but how to open yourself up to a wider range of men in general, a lot of those points address issues that men have with women and when those qualities are lacking they tend to simply opt out all together, the recent sexodus article and the steady increase of MGTOW is men opting out in part because quality women exist less and less, we’ve seen too much feminism telling women they can have it all and to drop feminine qualities in favour of masculine ones, men don’t want to date other men so if you want to stand a chance at bagging a man you prefer then be prepared to question the narrative and consider for once what it is that men want. A lot of the guys opting out are good guys with the right motivation to care for someone or a family, the retreat into playing video games and avoiding relationships is done largely because what modern women have to offer isn’t really that attractive. Both men and women need to step up their game if they want quality partners.


    • Frosty, I find it kind of odd that you keep saying “bagging a man” since it contradicts the rest of your points. Why in the hell would a woman bagg a man? Only self absorbed, selfish, insecure and broken women will try to manipulate and or force a man into a relationship/marriage.


  6. So basically I am fucked as I am 35 and my partner just cheated on me with his ex. If I meet a partner tomorrow it will be at least 40 before I get married if ever. I came to this article for help and now feel more depressed than ever. Also the guy I just lost was probably the perfect guy having the best mix of alpha (sex was great but he used to emotionally abuse and control me) and beta (he would emotionally abuse me ant try to control til I would argue back and then we would argue and he would cry and throw himself onto the ground blaming me as he did right up until he broke up with me). What happened to hope?

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    • Sorry it took me so long to reply to you. I don’t check this very often. This article doesn’t mean there is no hope, it’s just talking about basic realities. This isn’t a bunch of feel good fluffy stuff that people want to hear. The reality is that it is harder to find a partner as you get older. (Not just for women, but men too). For women it’s a bit more of a challenge, since men are judgement about physical appearances, and since we got the whole biological clock thing going on.

      However, I didn’t say there was no hope. The reality is that the dating pool (for all people of all ages) is a toxic swamp filled with shit. But if you make an effort to make yourself an appealing person, you’ll stand out. So many people today are overweight and unattractive. You have girls who should be in their prime who look like tattooed burritos.

      If you make the effort to eat healthy, go to the gym, find a flattering hairstyle and wear make up that brings out your best features, that’s a start. You should also work on your personality too. Learn something new. Cultivate interesting hobbies. There are so many guys who tell me that they have a hard time finding a woman they can talk to. Being interesting really can go a long way to help you.

      And finally, I’m going to say it sounds like you dodged a bullet. This guy cheated on you and emotionally abused you. Good riddance, let that other chick deal with his bullshit.

      Contrary to what a lot of people may say, having an alpha personality isn’t about being an insecure jerk. It’s about having confidence. And typically people with confidence don’t need to put other people down to make themselves feel/look better.

      Work on yourself, and find someone with a positive personality and outlook on life.

      And people can pretty much date at all ages. Even my 85 year old grandma had a boyfriend. I was just saying it gets harder – but isn’t impossible if you’re willing to work at it.

      Good luck M and I’m sorry I didn’t reply sooner.


    • 😂😂 you seriously think your “partner” was an Aplha?! Clearly you have no idea what an Alpha male is. An Alpha male would never become hysterical; that’s a sure sign of a beta dear.


  7. This is truly one of the best relationship type post I have ever read! I first came about here to try to understand more about the word “orbiter” it is a fascinating word. I have a female friend who is married who has what looks like an orbiter in her life. But I don’t know whether he isn’t orbiter or if he is secretly gay. He doesn’t have male friends, just female friends. He is a dancer as well, but he has had sex with my female friend before, but only twice in two years. She is wondering why he doesn’t want her more, as she is quite attractive. And perhaps the conclusion is, that he is simply not that into having sex with women.

    I care about my female friend a lot, and just wanted to gain some perspective about her situation and the various random men in her life. It is quite interesting. What are your thoughts?

    I’ve written a lot about relationships on my side, financial samurai. I think you’ll get a kick out of many of them and I would love to hear your perspective. I’ve linked to one of my more popular ones on how to get a rich guy to be your husband. But there are so many more in my Relationship category.




    • Honestly I can’t make a judgment about your female friend’s orbiter since I haven’t met him. He could be gay, asexual or maybe just weird. From what you’re saying, my guess is that he’s gay. But that’s just a guess.


  8. Meh, some points I agree with and others are pretty short-sighted, bordering on sexist. Such as domestic chores. We don’t live in a society where only men work now; women have long days too where the last thing they want to do is make a 3-course meal when they come home. I feel like this all focused on how women can please men, and to be honest, I’ve seen way too many of those articles floating around recently. It gets old. What about what men can do for women? And why is it assumed that women can’t just as easily ‘plate’ men? I know I have done that before. You do have good points such as feminine traits not being weak, but I wouldn’t say that being feminine is always showing humility and submission. People just need to stop worrying about whether they come off as masculine/feminine and just be themselves. Otherwise, everything just feels fabricated. People are trying too hard, and it shows. Yes, we are missing some of the basics in relationships nowadays and I do believe men and women complement each other with their differences, but please note that everyone is their own person and does not necessarily need to follow all those guidelines you posted to land a quality person who is willing to stay committed. Reality can br harsh, but it’s also not as black and white as you make it sound.


    • I’m not saying necessarily whether men should or shouldn’t do dishes. This isn’t an article about the way things should be. This is an article about what women can do to win a man’s interest, and not just be his casual sex buddy. I can guarantee you that if you are willing to help out around the house, that definitely makes you more appealing to a guy — even the most feminist guy. Because it makes him think to himself, “Hey, I could live with this person.”


  9. Meh, some points I agree with and others are pretty short-sighted, bordering on sexist. Such as domestic chores. We don’t live in a society where only men work now; women have long days too where the last thing they want to do is make a 3-course meal when they come home. I feel like this all focused on how women can please men, and to be honest, I’ve seen way too many of those articles floating around recently. It gets old. What about what men can do for women? And why is it assumed that women can’t just as easily ‘plate’ men? I know I have done that before. You do have good points such as feminine traits not being weak, but I wouldn’t say that being feminine is always showing humility and submission. People just need to stop worrying about whether they come off as masculine/feminine and just be themselves. Otherwise, everything just feels fabricated. People are trying too hard, and it shows. Yes, we are missing some of the basics in relationships nowadays and I do believe men and women complement each other with their differences, but please note that everyone is their own person and does not necessarily need to follow all those guidelines you posted to land a quality person who is willing to stay committed. Reality can be harsh, but it’s also not as black and white as you make it sound.


    • No one has to do this stuff, these are just things that help. Of course women don’t have to cook, and maybe it’s unfair to expect she always cook. But the reality is that if a woman wants to make herself more appealing to a man, cooking certainly helps.


  10. Why should any man settle for only one woman? And if he does, why should he do it for more than a year or two? I’ve dated at least a dozen women you describe in my life and never felt compelled to “settle down”.There’s always someone younger and more attractive. I can cook my own food and wash my own dishes thanks – feminism has taught me self-sufficiency and… independence. Once a man my age has had a taste of dating 19 and 20 year olds… well…. hard to compete with that.


    • If you find a woman who is really awesome. It depends on what you are looking for in a relationship. If you are just looking for sex with someone who is young and attractive, then I suppose you don’t really need a relationship. But if you are looking for someone who you can grow with, and who can learn more about you over time, relationships are good. I feel like the online seduction community has reduced the description of a relationship to something shallow. That it’s simply an exchange of goods and services (to which it obviously is) – but that’s all that it is. But there is also a deep emotional component to connecting with someone, and as time goes on that connection gets deeper. My boyfriend and I have been together for 6 years, we’ve shared a lot of experiences and have had a lot of situations that helped us grow closer together. Sure, if he dumped me he could maybe find someone younger and prettier, but all those connections and experiences would be gone. I mean, if you have a pet that you get really attached to, trading that pet out after 15 years and simply getting a new one isn’t the same thing.


  11. I’m 29, I have been acting as a plate and I just found out. I feel weird because I had no idea… Ok, maybe I did but I what I didn’t know was exactly how much it was undermining my possibilities to get into a relationship with someone. I really do need to start reconsidering many things before it’s too late.


    • Bianca, stop lying. You knew exactly what you were doing. Now that you’ve hit the wall you’ll be looking for a beta cuck to “settle down with” which is code for “I’ve been riding the cock carousel, but I’m losing my looks the Alpha’s don’t want me anymore, I’m 29 I need to find a loser who’ll take me in, you know one of those ugly, emasculated wimps that’ll think I’m a gift from God, so he can be my money machine and provider so I don’t have to work for a living”. Good luck finding a cuck.


  12. I stopped at the definition of Beta male orbiter, because that’s what the guy dating multiple women is in her life, too! It’s subjective. Women who let dogs sniff around have their own commitment issues or they wouldn’t put up with it. If it seems like a gal is chasing for commitment, her orbiter who thinks he’s alpha probably deceived his way into her pants most of the time.


  13. Dude stop telling these wonderful ladies how to live their lives, they’re in charge of their own self and are doing just fine, they don’t need somebody telling them what they can and cannot do, these are smart young women who are living life on their terms not yours. So dude just chill don’t rock the poontang express.


    • LOL, the words of someone who just wants a bunch of plates. Women don’t have to listen to me. I’m just throwing advice out there and whoever wants to listen can listen, and whoever doesn’t, doesn’t have to listen.


  14. I came here to learn the definition of “plate”. So the plate is the female counterpart of the male cuck.

    But what I believe that what you are missing is that most men have become INDIFFERENT as to whether we find that Unicorn or not. (If NAWALTS actually exist then they are very rare. You can actually see the rarity by looking how few 50th Wedding Anniversaries happen…) The truth is that many men neither love women nor do we hate them.

    For an example when I was actively seeking out a woman, I understood that when a woman either hated me or loved me then I knew that she was emotionally invested. The ball was in my court, so to say, to return the service in any way that I deemed fit. (Tennis analogy)

    Yet when a woman was indifferent towards me then I stood no chance.

    Well when the shoe is on the other foot it is really no different.

    When men are indifferent then acting as a plate is the only way that women will get sex from him, and that, only if the man is inclined to engage.. A woman stands no chance at winning such a man’s heart..

    Wounded and broken hearts become calloused as the result of many failed relationships and that is due to the slut behavior encouraged by feminism.

    You must understand that love and hate are just two diametrically opposed manifestations of the very same passion. And there is just so much injury that a heart can withstand and still remain functional.

    Then women are now adding fear of prosecution, threatening to cage men?

    I was married to a woman who had an Alcohol Abuse problem. Well I told her to get out as I was no longer going to tolerate that self destructive behavior. I am NOT going to allow someone I love self destruct.,Sorry. That is not happening. So I told her that she could retrieve her belongings from the front yard. She called Law Enforcement. She called Law Enforcement five different times that day….and left to the bar on four of those times. Of course the cops came…”Where is she at?”, “She is at the Bar.”, “Is she okay?”, “She is drunk. Go to the Roundup. You will find her there.” Of course they got tired of this..

    When she arrived back to the house, she dialed 911 again.. I told her that if she went to the Hospital then I would not throw her belongings in the front yard..Then she called 911 again and told them not to come which means that they came out quicker. The cop appears outside while I was on the phone to the Hospital So I motioned him in. “Any weapons?” “Yeah. i have ’em locked up in my safe and the key is right here. So she comes out of that bedroom and screams Domestic Violence. The cop looks at her and asks, “Domestic Violence? There is not a mark on you. Where did he hit you?” She replied, “Well he is going to throw all of my stuff out on the front lawn. The cop said, “He cannot do that.” Then she looks at me and said, “See honey. I do not have to go to the Hospital.” The cop said, “No. I did not say that. YOU ARE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL.” He asked me, “Can you handle her?” I said, “Yeah.” The cop said, “If she gives you ANY problem then you call us and we will handle it.”

    I filed for divorce shortly after.that as I am not about to be caged for a crime that I did not commit. The story above might have gone the other way, had a much worse outcome.. The threat of imprisonment was all that was needed to destroy what her alcoholism had not.

    So I am not inclined to even engage in any sort of relation.. Women are not worth that. And I am not the only man who is no longer inclined..

    Now you quoted Jesus. I am quoting John. Fear casts out Love. Fear and Love cannot coexist.

    So when men are no longer passionate about women they direct their passion into other constructive activities.

    And once that happens then any woman is a plate in that man’s life. The tipping point has happened and it is well past the point of no return.

    And the movement is growing at an exponential rate. There is no stopping it. There is too much momentum behind it. MeToo was the final straw.

    You win. I do not know what you won but enjoy it for what it is worth.

    I do not hate you. And I certainly do not hate you for writing this article. I know that you’d want me to be passionate. I am not. It is information. It is interesting reading..
    I do not love you.
    I just do not care.

    And you are operating under the premise that we care when we do not.


    Thanks for the definition of plate. You bring up valid points for women, if the ever shrinking pool of available men are interested in pursuing women, but your venue is limited, and it is far too late.


      • I’ve been getting a lot of MGTOW commenters lately. I’m tempted to write a post about MGTOW, but feel I better not, since as a woman I’m not really at a place to comment on it.


      • I posted the following as a response to a YouTube video produced by IcarusMGTOW, titled ‘The Truth About “GOOD WOMEN” MGTOW” I hope that you find this informative.

        I believe that your 7% guesstimate is a major overestimation. You brought up some great points in regards to desirability and availability, and it was a challenge, but need to learn some Math, brother. This took me EIGHT HOURS TO WRITE. I hope that you appreciate it. I should make a video. My analysis is as follows.

        A numerical Normal Distribution of Desirability on a standardized Bell Curve suggests the following..

        1,5% of all women are extremely undesirable (Third Deviation + Negative)
        14,5% of all women are moderately undesirable. (Second Deviation Negative)
        68% of all women are normal with desirability factors and undesirability factors balancing out to a matter of degree toward desirability or undesirability, half being more undesirable that the other half within this group. (First Deviation)
        14.5% of all women are moderately desirable (Second Deviation Positive)
        1.5% of all women are extremely desirable. (Third Deviation + Positive)

        The discerning man will only choose the extremely desirable while rejecting all others as potential mates. Thuis only 1.5% of the population qualifies under the exacting and demanding standards of the discerning man.

        Now we need to consider Availability for that 1.5% of Extremely Desirable population.

        So again we can do a standard distribution from that population garnered from that 1.5% on our first distribution.

        A numerical Normal Distribution of Availability of Extremely Desirable Women on a standardized Bell Curve suggests the following…

        1,5% of all extremely desirable women are extremely unavailable (Third Deviation + Negative)
        14,5% of all extremely desirable women are moderately unavailable. (Second Deviation Negative)
        68% of all extremely desirable women with unavailability factors and availability factors balancing out to a matter of degree toward unavailability or availability. (First Deviation)
        14.5% of all extremely desirable women are moderately available (Second Deviation Positive)
        1.5% of all extremely desirable women are extremely available. (Third Deviation + Positive)

        Desirability was covered sufficiently in the video presentation. I am in agreement with most points. Yet Availability was not covered sufficiently.

        All of these women are extremely desirable so let’s explore some of the reasons why the availability is variant.

        We will address the distribution by each Standard Deviation

        You have no chance with an extremely desirable woman who are extremely unavailable. (1.5% X 1.5% = 0.0225% of the entire population fall into this category. That is 9 out of every 40,000 women.)

        This rare specimen of a woman, a true Unicorn, is involved in a relation that has a solid foundation and her and her partner’s mutual level of commitment to their relationship success is comparable to none. Their partner share in the same level of relationship commitment and barring an accidental untimely death of that partner the marriage will last until death do they part. It is a rarity. It does happen. I have seen 50 years wedding anniversary celebrations in my lifetime. And as she ages her desirability factor declines so banking on an unforeseen early accident to her partner so that she becomes available is like expecting to win the lottery. It is not happening to you. Be happy for her and her partner. They have won the matchmaking lottery.

        The next case to consider is the extremely desirable woman who is moderately unavailable. (1.5% X 14.5% = 0.2175% of the entire population fall into this category. That is 87 out of every 40,000 women )

        While these extremely desirable women are almost 10 times as common as the extremely desirable women who are extremely unavailable, they are generally unavailable and a rarity. While their relationship is built upon a solid foundation the major character defect generally resides mainly within the partner who they chose. Their level of commitment to relationship success again is comparable to none. Yet their partner does not share the same level of commitment and erroneously believes that he may do even better than he has. Thus he may be prone to be tempted to be enticed to stray when that which he deems as a better prospect enters into the scene. He may leave and yet she may never remarry as her faith, trust and confidence may be damaged irreparably. So panning to entice her partner away with a slut does not guarantee that after the relationship has dissolved that she will become available. Furthermore the damaged goods aspect decreases her desirability. Leave this couple alone and wish them the best for their peace and happiness.

        Then we have the next case for consideration. The First Deviation. The 68% of all extremely desirable women with unavailability factors and availability factors balancing out to a matter of degree toward unavailability or availability. This is the largest group of the extremely desirable women and where your odds of encounter peak

        Even so the chances are that you will not meet up with one of these at your local pub, nightclub, or meat market. (1.5% X 68% = 1.02% of the entire population fall into this category. That is 4080 out of every 40,000 women, or, I can round that number to about 1 in 100.)

        In your lifetime if you were to date one new woman every night you might encounter 2000 of these demanding women, and, in all probability, 2000 different rejections.

        You must also consider and understand that these extremely desirable women are also seeking the most extremely desirable men who are available as well. Their standards MUST as high as your standards, right? They are not going to give up the pussy to just anyone. (If you want that then why bother? Hook up with a slut. They are easy.)

        These women will not be in a relationship that has crystallized. They may be shopping for potential mates. Yet they may already be engaged. You might find some of these in a church but there is no guarantee that you will there either. I have been to single’s groups, slut groups, in a church and I have watched the sluts attending there, in action, while praising Jesus no less. Only one out of 100 might meet my standards, and, out of the fifty or so women involved, not one of them measured up.

        And it is highly unlikely that I will measure up to their standards as well if I had met one..

        And then it becomes only even more dismal in the search for the mythical Unicorn.

        Let’s consider the next group, the extremely desirable women are moderately available. (1.5% X 14.5% = 0.2175% of the entire population fall into this category. That is 87 out of every 40,000 women ) The Second Deviation positive.

        These rare women are on an active and desperate search for the right man. And their prospects are more dismal in finding Mr. Right as your prospects for finding her. They have, on average five to seven years to find the right man. (From the age of twenty to twenty five or at the greatest extension, twenty seven.) They are in a far, and much worse predicament than any man.

        After they are 27 their level of desirability declines precipitously and exponentially. How many prospective dates can these moderately desirable women handle in 7 years? If they dated one man every night for 7 years they can meet 2555 different men. And when the odds are that 87 men out of every 40,000 men can measure up to her standards…then she may only encounter only 6 men in that 7 year time period who can measure up.

        (The same distribution applies to men as it does for women. IT IS THE MATH.)

        And Mr Right will probably reject her because she is exhausted from her search and seems unhealthy. These authentic NAWALTS will end up as cat women. And if they choose the wrong man, in desperation, and if the relationship is unbalanced, and the man cheats, then they will divorce.

        Then they become spoiled goods, embittered, and no longer desirable.

        And your chance of finding one of these women by the time that you reach 40 years old is only 2 times greater than their chances of finding you.. You may encounter 12 of them and reject them all because it seems as if something is off kilter. Note that they are seeking 27+ year old men. You stand little chance of attracting these rare birds in your early 20s.

        And finally let’s consider the last group,. The Third Deviation and greater deviations…This is the saddest case of them all. You stand little chance with an extremely desirable woman who is extremely available. (1.5% X 1.5% = 0.0225% of the entire population fall into this category. That is 9 out of every 40,000 women.) You stand less of a chance of finding one of these than you have of finding one in the previous category. You might run into only one in your dating experience.. And chances are very high that she will reject you.

        Everything that I wrote above applies to this rare breed. Yet they are even more choosy and more extreme in their choices. They are the authentic NAWALTS. They will end up as cat women also. Her standards are set so, so high, that she excludes herself from the marketplace and the dating scene. And every day stands as a testimony to her failure.

        The sad truth is that is neither worth the effort nor the investment of time and resources to go Unicorn Hunting…for you…or for her. I can write up this same analysis for women by changing the word women to men in the parameters. Maybe 96 out of every 40,000 women may measure up and be available to a discerning man. One in Four Thousand?

        Where have all the good men gone? The very same place that all of the good women have gone. The odds of matchmaking are very poor and dismal for the one who sets high standards There are diminishing returns.. I know of only one who had met my standards. I have high standards. She rejected me, realized her mistake, and then I rejected her for her mistake..


        Unicorns may exist but they are so very very rare. And if you happen to stumble on one then they may reject you.



      • Wow. That was a lot of math. I can tell you really thought this out. But I am a little confused, why must the discerning man only attempt to date the 1.5% of women who are extremely desirable? That seems a little…extreme. And even extremely desirable women can leave a man heartbroken, divorce him and so on and so forth.

        That would be like if I decided to only date men who were as good looking and rich as Brad Pitt. And then surprise surprise, when it doesn’t happen, resigning myself to never dating men ever. Which is basically dooming myself to failure. That’s like saying if I can’t become the U.S. President, I’m just never going to get a job ever and resign myself to being homeless.

        I think the best thing a man can do is find a woman who has things in common with him and focus on personality more than appearance. Obvious appearances matter, but they aren’t the ONLY thing that matters. Beauty only lasts a short winter, but you’re stuck with the shitty personality for life, assuming you’re interested in a LTR. I think the reality is that there are shitty men and good men, shitty women and good women. And that there are both in equal numbers. I know lots of great women and lots of great men. The catch is just that women are allowed to get away with more shitty behavior these days than men are.

        I can understand why dating is depressing and difficult for men these days. But sometimes I see crazy things in the MGTOW or INCEL realm that make me think some of these people are majorly setting themselves up to fail. Like some of these guys only want to date a 15-year-old virgin girl who has never even kissed anyone, and yet will somehow agree to anal sex. First of all, eww. And second of all, good luck with that.

        Also, while a woman’s beauty declines after 27, it’s not an exponential decline. She doesn’t go from being an 8 to a 2 in like one year. It’s a steady decline.

        I think for those who do still want to try and date and find long-term happiness (whether male or female) having reasonable expectations is important, and for a guy, finding a selfless woman is the most important. Don’t EVER commit yourself to a selfish, self-obsessed woman, you will be dooming yourself most likely to divorce, alimony payments, cuckdom, or at best, being some workhorse beta-shlub trapped in an unhappy marriage.

        The best thing a man can do, in my opinion, is to work on himself. Go to the gym. Get in great physical shape. Get involved with interesting hobbies. Sky dive. Snow board. Do something interesting. Have interesting stories to tell. Do something daring. Have self respect. Have self love. Learn boundaries. Enforce boundaries. Excel in his field. It’s only the dragon slayer that wins the princess. If a man aspires to turn himself into a quality man, he’ll attract a quality woman.


    • You have completely missed the point; these females are not the female equivalent of beta orbiters because these women are actually having sex and lots of it. They are not, unlike the beta orbiter, stuck in the friend zone, these women are stuck in the ho zone. And they like it. When they’re done riding the cock carousel and or the carousel is done with them because they’ve hit the wall they will actively and knowingly go and get themselves a cuck/beta orbiter because those “men” are so desperate they will take any used up slob and her bastard kids.


    • Tallom
      So basically you were not intelligent and or mature enough to know not to be with a woman that’s an alcoholic. Basically you pair bonded with an unfit woman who probably had lots of other “issues” and highly likely a cluster B personality disorder. This is what you choose to be with yet here you are whining about what she did to you. You do realize don’t you that your reasoning/logic is inherently female? You take no personal accountability and because you are a weak man you try to convince yourself that you don’t need pair bonding (a very strong human instinct). Man up, grow up, take a good look at yourself, don’t choose broken crazy women as partners, evaluate and asses a woman before you get emotionally attached. This is how normal human beings choose a partner. If you choose a woman because she’s got a nice behind and a good rack you deserve everything they do to you.


  15. Wow, what a load of hypocritical nonsense. These women are not plates they are sluts who want to ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall and then they go looking for “the good guy” which is code for a beta cuck and “settle down” so he can “take care of her” and her bastard child/children. And btw these parasites always think that the cuck should be grateful because they think they are doing the cuck a big favor by offering them their used up genitalia. In short; alpha fucks and beta bucks.


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